Originally Posted by ZENAS

and in fact, would likely never even present the case to the grand jury for charges.

I was going at my statement from this point. Once a Prosecutor has decided to present the case, they believe they have enough evidence to convict. At that point, they will do what they can to get a conviction. I never meant to imply that they would falsify evidence or do anything underhanded.

I understand that. But many people don't understand that a prosecutor's sole duty is to seek justice, even after indictment. My job is not to "do what I can to get a conviction", ever, at any point in the process. And when using a firearm, the intent is always going to be death (it must be because it is a deadly weapon). So whether you're using zombie ammo, or critical defense, it is ultimately irrelevant to the issue at hand in the trial. So my point is that a prosecutor who is properly doing his job will not attempt to introduce such evidence at trial, even if he thinks the shooting was unjustified, because such irrelevant evidence would confuse the issues and risk an unjust result where the decision was not based on the relevant evidence at hand, but on what type of ammo was used. All of this is part of the prosecutor's duty to "seek justice" rather than convictions. That is why I pointed out that it would be a minority of prosecutor's who are overstepping the bounds of their duties who would actually seek to admit such evidence.

Originally Posted by Alberta Glock

How far would a prosecutor go in a self defence case involving this ammo? All of the marketing for Zombie Max says this should not be used on humans, zombies only.....Rational people understand this is just cheeky marketing, but we have all read about that lawyer that wants to make a name and really goes into the silly side..... Would you carry this ammo knowing that it is just Critical Defence with a green plug?

I see where you are coming from, but yes I would carry this ammo in my CC pistol.... I'd carry any ammo that was known as a good self defense ammo and Critical Defense seems to be a well made round that serves its purpose. Personally, I'm partial to Winchester Ranger T. Winchester doesn't even sell this ammo to the public. How would this work into a prosecutor's argument in a shooting? I can almost hear it now, "The defendant was using ammo that is so deadly that the company that produces it makes it available to Law Enforcement only."

Winchester Ranger Ts are sold to the public and have been for some time now. Here is the first place I searched for that has it in stock.
HOLLOW POINT Ammo : Ammunition To Go

Originally Posted by TheLaw

Winchester Ranger Ts are sold to the public and have been for some time now. Here is the first place I searched for that has it in stock.
HOLLOW POINT Ammo : Ammunition To Go

Yes, Ranger T's are available to the public through dealers that have received them from Law Enforcement surplus stocks. Winchester supplies this ammo only to Law Enforcement. They do no supply it to dealers or to public individuals.

Edit: I don't understand Winchester's reasoning behind their actions of only selling the Ranger T line to Law Enforcement, but it is true.

Originally Posted by Tony8179

Yes, Ranger T's are available to the public through dealers that have received them from Law Enforcement surplus stocks. Winchester supplies this ammo only to Law Enforcement. They do no supply it to dealers or to public individuals.

Edit: I don't understand Winchester's reasoning behind their actions of only selling the Ranger T line to Law Enforcement, but it is true.

I'm not sure who they will distribute to versus who they wont but I buy this ammo, and carry it, from both online retailers as well as my local gun store.

And I like it!