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    Hi all,

    I encountered a situation recently that's made me do some thinking and ultimately I decided that I'd like to see what comes out of discussion here.

    This past Christmas Eve, I took my wife and my two children to church. We are Roman Catholic and attend mass weekly. As such we know most of the parishioners who also attend regularly. On Christmas Eve, I happened to notice a friend of mine sitting a few rows in front of me with his family. This friend is a police detective and he was on duty at the time. I'm sure that most of you can see where I'm going with this. While my friend kept his coat on the whole time, the bulge of his duty weapon was clearly visible. It wasn't long before I could hear the chatter around me about his gun.

    I continued to hear chatter from other parishioners throughout the holiday season and it has yet to die down. Naturally, I've spoken with my buddy, and while I won't interject his opinion or my own, he assured me that he had received permission from his chain of command to attend mass with his family.

    Naturally this discussion crosses over into religion, which is generally a subject to be avoided. However, this is one of the most civilized forums I've been involved with and I think any discussion will be handled respectfully.

    Obviously an on-duty police officer is one matter. So, to civilians with carry permits and even off duty police officers, I pose the question: do you carry to your place of worship? Why or why not?

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    In Michigan it is illegal to carry a firearm into a place of worship. The law has deemed them as a "Gun Free Zone", whether you are legally licensed to carry or not. The law does not apply to on duty LEO's. I have no issue with a police officer being armed in church.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ParabellumJ View Post
    In Michigan it is illegal to carry a firearm into a place of worship. The law has deemed them as a "Gun Free Zone", whether you are legally licensed to carry or not. The law does not apply to on duty LEO's. I have no issue with a police officer being armed in church.
    Unless any facility has complete and thorough screening at EVERY entrance, it cannot be a real "Gun Free Zone." Wasn't there a case in Colorado a few years ago where a shooter was stopped in a church by an off-duty security guard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medic View Post
    Unless any facility has complete and thorough screening at EVERY entrance, it cannot be a real "Gun Free Zone." Wasn't there a case in Colorado a few years ago where a shooter was stopped in a church by an off-duty security guard?
    I'm not sure about the Colorado case. I'm just stating what the law is in the state where I live.
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    I only attend church once a year, on Christmas eve. When I went a couple of weeks ago, I carried. Two pews in front of me was a friend and his family that I've know for 20 years since I moved here. He is a normal middle-aged dad, just like me. I knew many of the other people at church, and the ones I did not know looked like they belonged. But sitting next to my friend was a guy that looked out of place. He looked like he had a hard life, and wasn't quite dressed as well as everyone else. No big deal - everyone should be welcome in a church, no matter how rich or how poor or what their circumstance. However, during the service, the guy kept bugging my friend. At first, I thought maybe he was just unfamiliar with how a church service went and what he was supposed to do and wondering where he could find the hymns so that he could sing along. My friend is a quiet guy, and very gently kept trying to ask the guy to be quiet, or he tried to ignore him. But the whole time my spidey sense was tingling, and I kept watching what was going on. Finally, the guy got agitated because my friend wasn't paying enough attention to him or engaging him in a conversation or whatever. Fortunately, he only said something loud, stood up, and walked out in the middle of the service. However, for the rest of the service, I turned my ears backwards, waiting for him to re-emerge from behind us, thinking through what I might do. He never did return, but I sure was happy I was armed.

    Also, there was a shooting in a Colorado church a couple of years ago that was stopped by a woman with a CCW permit.

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    There is no law against carrying at church in NC. I don't carry at church all the time, but have on occassion. The first Sunday of December we do "All Tither Day" and do a church wide chest of Joash. The church will take in over $500,000 that day. The preacher asks the Deacons and member law enforcement to carry for security. One sherrif deputy has a sweet shoulder rig for twin uzis that he wears and you would never know it. I need to get a better dress belt or a shoulder rig. I used to have a good dress belt that I carried with almost daily when I was doing missionary work, but I have since lost weight and it wont tighten enough. I sold my pocket pistol so I only carry my G30 which needs more support than a flimsy leather dress belt.

    I don't care what people say or think about me carrying as long I am within my rights and boundary of the law.
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    I carry everywhere that I can. I'm not alone in my church. Not by a long shot

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    Quote Originally Posted by ParabellumJ View Post
    I'm not sure about the Colorado case. I'm just stating what the law is in the state where I live.
    Of course, and I understand. I was just expressing my opinion about gun free zones, which is probably shared by others. Right now I think that a CCW permitted individual should be allowed almost anywhere.

    However, I am just learning, but eventually when I do carry concealed, I hope it can REALLY be concealed. In that case, no one would know anyway. Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medic View Post
    Of course, and I understand. I was just expressing my opinion about gun free zones, which is probably shared by others. Right now I think that a CCW permitted individual should be allowed almost anywhere.

    However, I am just learning, but eventually when I do carry concealed, I hope it can REALLY be concealed. In that case, no one would know anyway. Right?
    I agree with you about gun free zones for CCW. But, like a lot of laws restricting firearms and their use, I obey the law regardless if I agree with it or not.
    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ParabellumJ View Post
    I agree with you about gun free zones for CCW. But, like a lot of laws restricting firearms and their use, I obey the law regardless if I agree with it or not.
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