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    Show me where a 10 mm can drive a 230 Hard cast bullet @1400 fps, or a 210 @ 1500.....granted that was a 7.5 inch barrel so take 100 fps off that, but don't be confused with killing and safe to use for defense.

    Native eskimos have used a 22 Hornet for polar bear hunting, but that doesn't mean its a good choice for defense against one in a charge situation. O'Conner used a .270 win to kill about everything, and called it the best all around caliber for all hunting, but its no Lion Gun. A 10mm would be a great gun to carry for hog defense In my opinion, even in a charge you would have a good angle on the spine.

    My heaviest 41 mag load was a 280 LFN Hard cast bullet at 1320 fps (safe load) 1360 possible with .4 more grains That bullets me-plat is .312 and that load would penetrate more than 24 inches of wet phone books, its still not a bear defense load.
    A 44 mag can do the same thing with a 300 bullet, me-plat maybe .340, might suffice if you could rapid fire them into a pie plate @ 15 yards. I shot a lot of big guns, and I was never able to rapid fire anything that big even close to a pie plate. That kind of load stands a gun strait up in your hands.

    I am not trying to down the 10 mm, it's a remarkable cartridge as is the 45 super, but they are auto's and will not feed bullets (Hard Cast Flat Nosed) required for deep strait line penetration on heavy boned animals who can and will bite, claw, disembowel you.
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    "buckets of bullets" thats how you get better, if you think your pretty good, shoot another 10k rounds and you will be better.
    Its just my opinion, I tend to prefer them over yours!

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    Ask yourself this. Would you be better off against a bear attack without any gun? If all you have is a 10mm, well thats better than nothing at all. A .500 S&W mag would be ideal though.

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    I think some people are missing the point. A rifle is ideal! A big rifle.
    We aren't talking about scaring a bear off, that can be done with a couple beer cans tied to a string.
    A charging bear in excess of 700 pounds is only going to stop when the electric signals quit telling its muscles to move! Thats it, you can't reason with them or send them a nasty letter.


    I feel like going into bear country thinking a 10 mm is enough might also lead to someone taking a shot at a bear @ 25 yards thinking that they are in danger and need to protect themselves.
    My point is not to plan on fighting a bear, plan on backing off, I would, and I am a headstrong, macho, big gun toating fool. For the record, I think a 500 mag is silly and belongs in a rifle, they are to big and heavy to carry comfortably all day and very few people can handle the recoil enough to accurately shoot them. Most people I know that own one rarely shoot it.
    "buckets of bullets" thats how you get better, if you think your pretty good, shoot another 10k rounds and you will be better.
    Its just my opinion, I tend to prefer them over yours!

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    From what I've heard, bears have exceptionally hard skulls... Seems to me that any pistol powerful to stop a bear in its tracks would have so much recoil that getting a second accurate shot off would be nearly impossible...
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    Bear Spray. You hit, and only wound, a bear? Now there's 100s of pounds of very angry muscle and teeth gunnin' for you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BHarrison View Post
    I think some people are missing the point. A rifle is ideal! A big rifle.
    We aren't talking about scaring a bear off, that can be done with a couple beer cans tied to a string.
    A charging bear in excess of 700 pounds is only going to stop when the electric signals quit telling its muscles to move! Thats it, you can't reason with them or send them a nasty letter.


    I feel like going into bear country thinking a 10 mm is enough might also lead to someone taking a shot at a bear @ 25 yards thinking that they are in danger and need to protect themselves.
    My point is not to plan on fighting a bear, plan on backing off, I would, and I am a headstrong, macho, big gun toating fool. For the record, I think a 500 mag is silly and belongs in a rifle, they are to big and heavy to carry comfortably all day and very few people can handle the recoil enough to accurately shoot them. Most people I know that own one rarely shoot it.
    I saw two charging grizzlys stop in it tracks and took off the other direction when the man shot a 22lr rifle in the air. This is on youtube, I am not going to search for it but it shouldn't be hard to find.

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    My roomates and I are heading to Yellowstone also. Im bringing my G23 not so much for bears but for personal protection between the four of us if we run into someone not friendly out in the wilderness. One of my roommates is bringing this new bear spray that sticks more onto whatever you spray it with. I hear mix reviews on the 10mm, Some say it will stop a bear. But I think that if a bear charges you the bear spray is easier to aim because it disperses like nozzle versus trying to hit a bear in the dome while in a 1/2 second moment. So im bringing both when i head out.
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    the thing about spray is if a bear charges you have only seconds to act and then hope you are not facing the wind.
    I am a true believer that bears will try to avoid human, black or brown/grizzlies but some people make it seem like if you are in the presence of a bear it will charge and that is not the case. Good luck on your trip and hope you all enjoy yourselves.

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    back in the late 70's & 80's i use to hunt in Montana, Wyoming, Idaho & Colorado..i have seen grizzlys in the wild.. they are tough/fast/large/mean critters... they can outrun a horse & break a horse's backbone with one paw strike.... bring a LARGE GUN with high capacity mags... and practice tree climbing skills... grizzlys cannot climb a tree.. especially if its slippery below you..
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    Hope you guys did ok in Yellowstone. I've spent some time in the backcountry in Yellowstone, looking over my shoulder with every step looking for a bear!

    We carried pepper spray and just hoped that we didn't have to use it against a MAD bear! Bears don't want to be around you (unless they are hungry ) so making a lot of noise is good practice. Or, there's the commonly advised: if a bear is charging you, lie down, roll up in a ball, and act dead .... yeah, right!

    Noone's said anything about the fact that you're not supposed to have firearms in the National Park. I have no idea what the concealed carry laws would say, etc. But, from what I've heard about some of the rangers in the backcountry, you tell them you've just shot and killed a charging grizzly and they will probably give you a ticket for carrying a gun!

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