Originally Posted by __jb

Good point...

...because it is hard to conceal an ar-15...

LOL, man I love this place.

that's a tough sell of a threat at a 100 yards with a pistol.

Originally Posted by bearone2

that's a tough sell of a threat at a 100 yards with a pistol.

So say your picking up your kids at elementary school. Ours has an after school program where this kids can play on the play ground after school until the parents can pick them up.

You roll in get out of your car and hear shots. You dont carry a rifle or trunk gun (another issue) you take off and you see a guy at 80 yds with an AK pluggin 5 year olds like baby seals.

You have a clean line of sight and nothing in your targets foreground or back ground. Making distance would mean covering 80 yds with no cover. Can you make combat effective hits with your pistol at that distance? Would you be justified?

no, no, you'd get hung out to dry for discharging a firearm hit or miss.

you're watching too much tv.

Your kidding right?

At the end of the day, I can conceal a chopped 17 just as well as a normal 19. So why would I NOT want the extra sight radius and extra barrel length? What downside is there for me in this case?

Will many people need to engage a threat at 100 yards with a pistol? I highly doubt it, especially in a civilian environment. However it's still good practice to be able to make hits at those distances, and it's not entirely impossible for such a situation to occur. If someone is shooting at you from 100 yards away, they are a threat. I really couldn't give a damn what some attorney or judge thinks at that point, I'm either getting the hell out of their or shooting back, whichever is more prudent. Because if they're half way decent with whatever they're shooting and you don't do anything about it you'll be thinking things over in a box buried underground.


Too many people get sucked into the NRA bullcrap of 'most encounters happen at 7 yards or less'. Is that a true statistic? Maybe...but at the end of the day another true statistic is that most of us will NEVER be in a situation where we will use our firearms in defense of our lives. Yet we still carry everywhere we go.....don't train to just be 'good enough', be the best you can be. Because that one in a million chance when shit DOES hit the fan in your world, you may need to use your pistol in a way that you thought you'd never need to practice.

All that being said, I've seen people make 100+ yard hits with G26's. It's the dancer, not the pole...I mainly like my chopped 17 for it's balance, and because I run it with a light so the barrel length is inconsequential...the light sticks out past it anyways.

keithd:
nope, just how good are you at 80 yards with a pistol?

What does that have to do with anything. I know what my abilities are and how far I can shoot. I have well over 180 hours of formal training will top tier Instructors this year alone, along with hundreds of hours on the clock live fire training, hundreds of hours dry manipulations, and hundreds of hours training students. This allows me to know what im capable of doing.

You can say that i watch to much TV all you want, you have no idea what how i train and what i train for. How many thousands rounds i put down the range per week.

I know what id do to save human lives regardless what the law says. And i for one would not let 5 year old kids get murdered over the fact that I may get "hung out to dry"

Thats called mindest

Hey joey, how big was that steel that we were ringing on saturday? Was that about 80-90 yds?

Originally Posted by bearone2

keithd:
nope, just how good are you at 80 yards with a pistol?

I think that for the point of this argument, he would be a better shot with the longer barrel than with a shorter barrel...

That's why he carries what he carries...

I think it's 9x15" or so, don't know if that includes the head or not. It's a mini IPSC/IDPA/whatever silhouette. It was pretty close to 100, definitely no closer then 80.

What exactly is the problem with shooting pistol at 50+ yards? Who cares if you'll 'never need to shoot that far out'. I'll probably never drive a lift truck in my life, yet I'm still certified to drive one...why? Because the class was free and you never know when the oppurtunity arises to use it. It doesn't cost me anything but an hour of my time every week to practice stuff like long distance shooting. And if I'm ever presented with a sitation the requires such shooting, I'll be DAMN glad I practiced it.

Again this falls into my argument about chopped pistol grips...it doesn't hurt me in any way, so why should I NOT use it?