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    A friend of mine has a " 1st Gen 21 " of coures the frame is of a gen 2 with no rail ect... .He bought it new .
    I think its that those who bought one when they came out know it is the first 45 acp that glock came out with ,and as such refer to it as a gen 1.
    Even though they may like glocks there not historians on the topic ,all they know is they bought the first one when it came out.But thats ok thats what we're here for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnightgallery View Post
    A friend of mine has a " 1st Gen 21 " of coures the frame is of a gen 2 with no rail ect... .He bought it new .
    I think its that those who bought one when they came out know it is the first 45 acp that glock came out with ,and as such refer to it as a gen 1.
    Even though they may like glocks there not historians on the topic ,all they know is they bought the first one when it came out.But thats ok thats what we're here for.
    That's a good point. If I had bought one of the first G21s, I would probably think of it as a "First Generation" gun as well. Point taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cohland View Post
    __jb:

    I was curious about your comment on the number of pins, so I looked it up in The Complete Glock Reference Guide (3rd Edition). On page 21 there is an illustration that I will summarize because I don't want to include a whole page as an attachment (and because the book is marked Copyright (C) 2006). The Armorer's Manual only shows third generation guns, by the way.

    1982-1989 (First Generation)
    . two pins (trigger pin, trigger mechanism housing pin) (I am not sure how the locking block was secured in the frame)
    . smooth (pebble finish) frame

    1989-1997 (Second Generation)
    . three pins (locking block pin, trigger pin, trigger mechanism housing pin)
    . checkering on the front and back of the frame
    . side pebble finished panels

    1997-date of publication of the book
    . three pins (as above)
    . finger groove and rail frame with checkering between finger grooves
    . thumb recess
    . forward equipment rail

    Are you suggesting that we should avoid the two-pin gun? I am asking out of complete ignorance, I have never even touched a first- or second-generation Glock to my knowledge. Just trying to learn something here.

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    I always though the Gen 1 Glocks were limited to mostly 17s and a small number of now rare Glock 19s... However, if someone says they have one, I'm not going to argue... Besides that seems to be cleared up now...

    As far as I know, the locking block pin was added because some of the .40 Glocks cracked their frames in that area... After Glock added the third pin in the .40 Glocks, they retrofitted it back into their 9mm Glocks... Seems like a good thing to me...

    So, would I avoid a two pin Glock? Yes, I would...
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    Quote Originally Posted by __jb View Post
    ....As far as I know, the locking block pin was added because some of the .40 Glocks cracked their frames in that area... After Glock added the third pin in the .40 Glocks, they retrofitted it back into their 9mm Glocks... Seems like a good thing to me...

    So, would I avoid a two pin Glock? Yes, I would...
    Sounds like good advice to me, thanks.

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    If the gun in question shows no abuse, and passes your safety checks, I would buy it in a heartbeat. That first production run of the G21 was based on the G20 frame which was used as a starting point. The G20 frame was strong enough to use for 10mm rounds which have higher pressures and higher velocities, so with that in mind, I would not be afraid of the first gen model 21 Glocks.

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    Re: 1st Gen Glock 21 Buy it or Not?

    Quote Originally Posted by __jb View Post
    I always though the Gen 1 Glocks were limited to mostly 17s and a small number of now rare Glock 19s... However, if someone says they have one, I'm not going to argue... Besides that seems to be cleared up now...

    As far as I know, the locking block pin was added because some of the .40 Glocks cracked their frames in that area... After Glock added the third pin in the .40 Glocks, they retrofitted it back into their 9mm Glocks... Seems like a good thing to me...

    So, would I avoid a two pin Glock? Yes, I would...
    Hi. New to the forum but not Glock. 1st Gens all had two pins. The trigger pin did and still does secure the locking block. The third pin was added because of the 40. They did not add the third pin to the 17/19 until after the 3rd Gens came out so some early 3rd Gen 19 & 17 have only 2 pins. You do not need to avoid 2 pin 9mm. The third pin was added to the 9mm only to simplify production as in same frame for the 19-23-32 . The 26 has always had 3 pins.

    Hope this helps clarify things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmpops View Post
    ...The trigger pin did and still does secure the locking block. The third pin was added because of the 40. They did not add the third pin to the 17/19 until after the 3rd Gens came out so some early 3rd Gen 19 & 17 have only 2 pins. You do not need to avoid 2 pin 9mm. The third pin was added to the 9mm only to simplify production as in same frame for the 19-23-32 . The 26 has always had 3 pins..
    Good information, thanks for passing it along. I didn't realize that the 3-pin guns used two pins to secure the locking block (locking block pin and trigger pin) until I saw your post. I've looked right at them hundreds of times and it never occurred to me. So much for my grasp of the obvious.

    You seem to have a good background with Glocks, let's hope we hear more from you!

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    Well guys, heres what happened.... I got to see the gun we are all talking about it and it ends up it is a Gen 3 21... Here is the cool thing the serial # is GEN1** haha so I guess it is really a GEN1 at heart! I didn't buy it from him, we talked tonight for awhile about stuff and he was going to trade it for a Taurus judge that had the 3" barrel and 3" magnum cylinder, but after I saw it, and realized it was a gen 3 in BEAUTIFUL! condition I told him there was no way he could trade it. Ended up I rekindled his love for it and now he is wanting to shoot it baddd lol. He told me that gun has been through alot, he is a rescue diver and used to jump out of helicopters at the big boat races in the ocean and ended up that he would have that with him when he did the races, so its been in the ocean 3 times and I will tell you guys he really takes care of his guns. The barrel didn't have any of the marks at the end near the muzzle, no marks at the end of the barrel where it rubs the top of the slide.. He said he bought it about 98 or so and it looks brand spankin new. I loved it and can't wait to shoot it at the range soon.

    In other news.......... I traded in a old shotgun today for a used Springfield XD 45. Its the compact 45 with the 2 extended mags. So Monday or so I will post up what I think of it and let everyone know how I like it compared to my buddy's 21.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConquestN98858 View Post
    Personally, I prefer the gen 3's and newer...
    +1

    Never was a glock guy, but I recently fell in love with a gen 3 g19

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    Good job talking the diver into keeping his Glock...
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