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    What is realistic at 50 yards with a four-inch barrel

    I've never had the privilege to shoot at an outdoor range before, and I see 50 yards is sort of standard for a full-size and even compact handguns, so I'm just wondering with your Glock 19 or similar model what are your 15 round expectations at that distance and do you have realistic groupings that you strive for?

    I will admit that at 25 yards I'm at least putting the bullets through the paper, although I think the best I've done is 14 to 15 shots on three different targets at the indoor range.

    But I think that's good, I'm relatively new shooter and I imagine I can only get better.

    My big issue I think is my trifocal glasses, although more universal them bifocals I sometimes feel as if there's no happy medium for a good focal point and I just don't see myself shooting very well at 50 yards. Do you think I might surprise myself? So how well do you do at that distance?

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    Practice is all it takes. 50 yards no problem. I can easily hit a 10 inch target @100 yards with my G22.

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    There's an article in one of the gun magazines I buy that goes over shooting a handgun at long distances.
    Basic premise was, start close and work your way out to the distance you want to go to. I do believe they were going out to 100 yards. Of course this was done outside and weather plays a factor. They went over the concentration it takes to make a shot like this.
    Furthest I go is 50' not 50 yards but to each his/her own.
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    I think the ability of the bullet would play a huge part in long range accuracy.

    Second, is the weapon, and the shooter is the next component in good accuracy at any distance, IMO.

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    I don't know where you get that 50 yards is standard for pistols. I don't see any real need to train at 50 yards for a handgun. It would only be for fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZENAS View Post
    I don't know where you get that 50 yards is standard for pistols. I don't see any real need to train at 50 yards for a handgun. It would only be for fun.
    This too. Most are tested at 25 yards for accuracy. Some sub compacts are pushed at 25 yards and I can see testing at closer distances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZENAS View Post
    I don't know where you get that 50 yards is standard for pistols. I don't see any real need to train at 50 yards for a handgun. It would only be for fun.
    The NRA Conventional Pistol ("Bullseye") Course of Fire is shot at 25 yards (rapid fire) and 50 yards (slow fire) outdoors, so I think that's where the 50-yard "standard" came from: How To Get Started|Conventional Pistol Competition

    Also, several 1911 builders, including Les Baer (Welcome to PreciseShooter!) and Ed Brown (Ed Brown 1911, 1911 parts, Ed Brown, handguns, 1911 45 acp, gun accessories, 1911 pistol, 1911 accessories, 1911 grips, concealed carry) sell some models of their pistols with 50-yard accuracy guarantees.

    I'm not saying that 50 yards is a reasonable standard, mind you, I'm just explaining where the notion may have originated. Years ago I recall that there was a national pistol competition that was shot at 100 yards with the 1911, but I can't find a reference at the moment. That may have been silhouette shooting instead of paper targets.

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    The 50 yards I am referring to were from both military and police training videos found on Youtube - most from several decades ago, but 50 yards seemed to be the norm in them. I too think that is NOT realistic, but then again Iwas shooting at 25 at my range today and only average 65% of my shots to an 18" target - the rest either caught the cardboard backing or missed completely.

    I have eye issues and my glasses with the most resent prescription had a lense fall out, I just now picked up a repair kit, but I wore my older trifocals and did well at 15 yards and closer with both the G19 and Ruger 22 revolver, but out at 25 yards I had no real focal point, if I looked at the front sight, the target was a total blur, so I focused at the target and did my best to keep the sights aligned although I can honestly say I couldn't see the sights, only a blurred line I assumed was the three lining up. So I'll take that 65% until I get my correct glasses on.

    Believe it or not, I have to go that way again and I think I'll stop off at the range for about an hour - most range times average just over an hour and forty minutes when I'm by myself.

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    Focus on the front sight. The target is supposed to be blurry as the eye can only focus on one thing.
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    Iron sighted shots with a pistol at 50 yards is just not practical. 99% of self defense confrontations happen within 21 feet. 98% happen within 10 feet. 50 yard shots should really only be done for recreation and competition.

    Regardless, to answer you question

    The only reason why shots can be "difficult" at ranges like 50 yards with a handgun (THIS assumes your mental state, trigger compression, and sight alignment are PERFECT. ROBOTIC.), is due to the fact that when the target appears that small and your front sight starts to cover most, if not all the target, it's pretty difficult to know EXACTLY where your front sight is on the target.

    To ADD to that, is the fact that at that distance, you start having to account for bullet drop.

    The most obvious thing, that accounts for long handgun shots being "difficult", is the shooter. It all comes down to simple geometry. For a given amount that your sights are out of alignment at the moment of shot release, the distance off target becomes greater at greater ranges. This is compounded with shorter sight radius (i.e. Short Barrel).

    In my opinion (and I'm by no means an expert at all), 50 yard handgun shots simply come down to where you are going to have to place your front sight during sight alignment because of bullet drop, having a detached mental state (i.e. not anticipating the recoil), and a solid trigger compression (NO pulls, squeezes, presses, etc etc. There is a difference), which will ensure that your sights stay in PERFECT alignment at the moment of shot release.

    Anyway, good thread Beemaster Take care
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