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    Talking Carrying model 23 with one chambered.


    I have been reading some intresting comments here about the firing pin. When my Serta holster comes this week will it be safe to keep one in the chamber at all times.

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    I see no issue as long as the trigger area is covered by the holster ....













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    It is always safe in the holster, any holster than covers the trigger. The issue that causes heat for the Serpa holster is that the release is directly in line with the trigger. Meaning in a quick draw or panic situation when unholstering the weapon, the shooter must be very deliberate with his/or her finger placement not to negligently place the finger on the trigger. I use a Safariland holster for OWB that has a thumb operated quick release, which is much safer than the Serpa. Regardless of what holster you use, carrying a gun for self defense without a round in the chamber defeats the purpose of being armed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tactworld45 View Post
    It is always safe in the holster, any holster than covers the trigger.
    I will not comment on the SERPA. That issue has been beat to death and a quick search will turn up lots of discussions.

    On Tactworld45's comment above, I would go a step further and say that not just any holster that covers the trigger will make it safe. These fabric/soft material generic holsters that are cheap and easy to find everywhere are not safe options in my opinion. An older worn leather holster or one made from inferior quality leather that allows the leather around the trigger area to bend and flex is not a safe option in my opinion.

    The GLOCK pistol itself, as long as it's properly functioning, is perfectly safe to carry with one in the chamber. The equipment the firearm is carried in and the operator are what makes it a potentially dangerous issue. This is true with any firearm.
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    Tactworld45 is correct. Keep a round chambered.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLaw View Post
    On Tactworld45's comment above, I would go a step further and say that not just any holster that covers the trigger will make it safe. These fabric/soft material generic holsters that are cheap and easy to find everywhere are not safe options in my opinion. An older worn leather holster or one made from inferior quality leather that allows the leather around the trigger area to bend and flex is not a safe option in my opinion.
    I agree with that. I was making a point as long as it is a "good holster" it is safe. Thanks for tapping in.
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    You guys rock thanks for all the help as you know I am a new concealed carrier and it never hurts to ask questions. I am waiting for my Serpa holster to arrive so I can feel comfortable carrying one in the chamber at all times. Thanks again for all the patience and help really appreciated.

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    Check out Comp-Tac, Personal Security Systems Holsters, Crossbreed, Thesis Holsters, etc.. when you get a chance.
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    What keeps this holster from letting the Glock slide out.

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    The kydex is indented around the trigger guard on the Comp-Tac and the Personal Security Systems Holsters. I believe they are on the Crossbreed but it's been many years since I tried one of those and I have never tried one of the Thesis holster but hear good things about them.

    This allows the firearm to literally "snap" into the holster. This is a valid form of retention for a holster, but many feel that they need a button that releases the firearm or a snap that they have to undo in order for the firearm to stay securely in place. In my nearly 20 years of carrying, it is my opinion that outside of Law Enforcement, Active Military, etc.. the average civilian Firearm Toter does not need an "active" retention holster. I typically put my firearm on in the morning and it comes off at bed time. I work/goof-off all day long, plays with my kids, get in and out of my vehicle over and over, lay down and sleep, etc. etc. and my firearm stays right where it is supposed to. I can hold my holster upside down and give it a good shake and the firearm stays put.

    Although I said I wasn't going to get into this again, I will expand on my comment about the SERPA. I think they are horribly designed, easily broken and very dangerous holsters. Dangerous because they have a GREAT marketing campaign, are found everywhere, are relatively inexpensive (you get what you pay for) and many new firearm owners are lured to them for many of the reasons I just mentioned. They are documented cases of the button not releasing the firearm for no apparent reason. There are documented cases of debris such as pebbles, snow, dirt etc getting behind the button and not releasing the firearm. In my opinion, the holster is poorly designed and lends to negligent discharges when used by new or inexperienced shooters and they are easily broken when any decent amount of force is applied to the holster itself.

    While the button issue is difficult to recreate at the drop of a dime, and the design issue is something that can be argued from both sides, no one can argue that the holster isn't easily broken. If you don't believe me, put the holster on, confirm your firearm is empty and holster the weapon. Have an average sized/strength person grab the grip of your firearm and yank forward or backwards and watch the body of the holster snap off the belt attachment. This is what would happen if someone wanting to do you harm wanted to take your firearm for you. And before anyone else says that their situational awareness is too good to let someone that close, I'll ask you why you need "active" retention then....

    As you can tell, I am NOT a fan of the SERPA. I like the American Company Blackhawk, but not their SERPA. I also don't like thumb break holsters of any kind as that thumb break waving around while you try to reholster your firearm is simply an accident waiting to happen when the piece of leather slides its way into the trigger guard and depresses the trigger. I don't like generic holsters, or one size fits most. I don't like fabric holsters. I have tried many of these holsters. I bought them early in my carrying career when I was new and/or didn't know any better. Since then, I have had some training (not enough), met many people that are "in the know" and suffered from trial and error with boxes of used holsters and tons of money spent.

    Good luck to you as you start down your own road of trial and error. Everyone goes through it. See what works best for you and that's what is most important.
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