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    Quote Originally Posted by cohland View Post
    Does anybody else think we should "stick" this thread, and maybe move it over to Glock Tech / Warranty?

    There's enough good information here on bullet weight and recoil that I think we will re-use the thread quite a lot, but it may be my own enthusiasm getting away with me again. If you think this thread is worth "sticking", please speak up.

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    I think that is a great idea Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osageid View Post
    I think that is a great idea Chris
    I got carried away and renamed the thread so that it would be noticed. We got so much real information and data on this thread, on a topic that comes up pretty frequently, that I wanted to make sure that members understood what was being discussed..that was the reason for changing the name of the thread.

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    Interesting data in this thread... Nice work rangerbluedog and JimFS

    Interesting that some of the federal agencies are going to 147gr 9mm ammo... I hadn't heard that... I wonder which ones?

    There are several trends of thought on the heavier bullet softer shooting equation in the competition world... Everyone seems to agree that the heavier bullets are softer and have a less felt recoil, but... some people like the snappier feeling of lighter bullets... some people say that the heavier bullets slow down the slide so much that their transition and split time are affected... Not sure about that... Some of the fastest USPSA Production shooters use heavy bullets and they don't seem to have any split issues with them.
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    All is extremely true BUT like all things on physics there is a point of diminishing returns. Case in point the .40 S&W round 180gr vs. 165 gr. Here is where things start to flip. The 165 ends up with more muzzle energy than the 180, and it keeps it throughout its spectrum both in velocity and muzzle energy. I know thinking would go with "bigger is better" but not always. This also happens in the .223 world as well. Ain't science fun?
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    very interesting to know!

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    I'm a "salt and pepper on my steak then grill it" kind of person when it comes to most things. The explanations provided un-selfishly by the members was fantastic. Am I correct in saying we usually accept what should be the obvious ie; 165gr HST is higher velocity than 180gr HST? We've all seen the water jugs explode with more violence when the lighter grain bullet impacts yet some of us carry the larger heavier grain bullet for more surface area to be damaged.

    Before exposing myself to various ammunition in my journey to secure what I feel will best protect my family; those around me and finally myself, I never understood what was meant by "snappy or pushing back" recoil. Too bad this past Sunday I shot 170gr, 180gr and 165gr produced by different manufacturers. I'm not able to narrow down which is the culprit for my right hand to be a bit sore still today. lol Maybe it was the 12 gauge shotgun also?

    Thanks again for the information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justme View Post
    I'm a "salt and pepper on my steak then grill it" kind of person when it comes to most things. The explanations provided un-selfishly by the members was fantastic. Am I correct in saying we usually accept what should be the obvious ie; 165gr HST is higher velocity than 180gr HST? We've all seen the water jugs explode with more violence when the lighter grain bullet impacts yet some of us carry the larger heavier grain bullet for more surface area to be damaged.

    Before exposing myself to various ammunition in my journey to secure what I feel will best protect my family; those around me and finally myself, I never understood what was meant by "snappy or pushing back" recoil. Too bad this past Sunday I shot 170gr, 180gr and 165gr produced by different manufacturers. I'm not able to narrow down which is the culprit for my right hand to be a bit sore still today. lol Maybe it was the 12 gauge shotgun also?

    Thanks again for the information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icecold View Post
    As a new first time shooter I put 200 rounds of 9mm through my G17 Gen 4 Version 2 at the range everyone like the FDE color. But what really struck me was how different and snappier more muzzle flash 115gr rounds have over 147gr rounds. I was able to get back on target right away. And Thanks to the improvements of the new Gen 4 Version 2 no brass to the face and less recoil or muzzle rise thanks to the included factory beaver tail earlier versions of the FDE Gen 4 dont have the extra attachment point to affix the beaver tail.

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    Well, I have to agree. I shot my G42 for the first time today, and I was running the SIG Elite 100 grain .380 ACP rounds through it. Oddly enough, it did shoot those "softer" than the 95 and 88 grainers I had too. Did not matter the bullet profile either. Strange.
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    Glad I found this thread! You guys won't believe this, but I always thought a lighter bullet produced lighter recoil.

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