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    ? for the Georgia lawmen please


    Gwinnett county PD set up at I-85 north and Hamilton Mill Rd. exit today pulling over everyone who stopped at the top of the exit then made a right turn on the red light headed towards Hamilton Mill. The sign there states "Stop here on red". The policeman who ticketed my wife and others stated the sign "Stop here on red" means the same thing as "No right turn on red". My wife has been making that turn for nearly three years. So does EVERYBODY else who stops there. Is the officer correct or not? Thanks for any input.

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    The intersection in question:

    http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Hamilt...30019&t=h&z=19

    I'm not a lawman, lawyer, or logger - but the original intent of the sign in question was to "clarify the drivers' responsibility at a confusing intersection". STOP HERE ON RED, is usually coupled with a painted line in the road. For any number of reasons, the dot wants a driver to come to a complete stop behind the painted line. Could be to keep from blocking an intersection, or to leave room for drivers coming from the opposite direction to make a left-hand turn.
    Just my guess, but on this intersection it appears that the intent is to stop behind the line and stay there until the light turns green. There is the possibility of blocking the intersection, if there is traffic in the left lane you can not see oncoming traffic, and there's some screwy stuff going on after you turn onto Hamilton Mill Road - including a pedestrian crosswalk. Again, this is just a wild guess on my part. Doing a quick Google search, "no one" knows what this sign is supposed to mean, and "everyone" ignores it. Until they get a ticket!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CBH View Post
    Gwinnett county PD set up at I-85 north and Hamilton Mill Rd. exit today pulling over everyone who stopped at the top of the exit then made a right turn on the red light headed towards Hamilton Mill. The sign there states "Stop here on red". The policeman who ticketed my wife and others stated the sign "Stop here on red" means the same thing as "No right turn on red". My wife has been making that turn for nearly three years. So does EVERYBODY else who stops there. Is the officer correct or not? Thanks for any input.
    From my experiences in Gwinnett county over the last 20-30 years I think
    they have more serious problems than where you stop on red!
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    I'm not from GA, but according to the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUCTD) by the Federal Highway Administration:

    Traffic Signal signs (see Figure 2B-19) may be installed at certain locations to clarify signal control. Among the legends for this purpose are LEFT ON GREEN ARROW ONLY (R10-5), STOP HERE ON RED (R10-6 or R10-6a) for observance of stop lines, DO NOT BLOCK INTERSECTION (R10-7) for avoidance of traffic obstructions, USE LANE(S) WITH GREEN ARROW (R10-8) for obedience to Lane Control signals, LEFT TURN YIELD ON GREEN (symbolic green ball) (R10-12), and LEFT TURN SIGNAL YIELD ON GREEN (symbolic green ball) (R10-21) (see Section 4D.06).

    See link for Figure 2B-19:
    FHWA - MUTCD - 2003 Edition Revision 1 Chapter 2B

    I would take this information to the Court Clerks office and see if they can dismiss/drop the ticket. It appears the officer was incorrect in his interpretation. I would also show this to his supervisor so this doesn't happen in the future.

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    I went to this intersection on the way back yesterday. I saw what you are referring to. I am not a law Enforcement Officer, nor a lawyer but here is what I think is the deal. There is a Stop Here on Red sign and a line, that is before the crosswalk. If you stop at the line, and there is a vehicle in the left lane turning left, you can't see the traffic coming, therefore you can't pull out and go, even though I do not "believe" there is any issue with you turning red after coming to a complete stop at that intersection. It is impossible to stop at the line, with a vehicle in the left lane and see oncoming traffic. So if there was no car in the left lane blocking your view, and you come to a complete stop before the line, clear the intersection and then make the turn, I'd fight a ticket for that any day.
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