I like Joe, he also does the GSSF outdoor matches. I got to hang out with him waiting to shoot stages - if you can get him talking he's a wealth of information. If you ever get the chance to do the advanced course, it's well worth it.

It's been a few years since I took the basic but I didn't feel the first day of advanced was anything like I remembered the basic being. My opinion of the basic was it being very much "how to". The advanced course was more "technical" with more lecture on day one - going deeper about how the gun works, parts upgrades and inspection of individual parts.

Day two was straight up exhausting. 31 guns with a note that represented typical customer comments or just "inspect." The first 5 or so guns were fun to take apart and inspect/diagnose. By lunch guys were picking up the next gun, sitting down and sighing before starting. No one finished all the guns and as the day wore on each gun had more problems like additional parts going missing or wrong parts going into the wrong gun. The instructor (Scotty B.) laughed when he said we all came in thinking we'd like to work as a Glock tech someday and didn't want to anymore! He was dead on - it's extremely tedious work.

One thing I really came out with, a better understanding how useless the descriptions we use are. "FTF" or "FTE" are ZERO help when trying to determine what's wrong with the gun. It's the tech's #1 complaint. People tell them they have a failure to fire, can't really give a more detailed description of what actually happened and don't understand why they can't tell them what's wrong or how to fix it.

Most the advanced courses near me were "LE Only", however I e-mailed Glock training. They said it was up to the organization hosting the class but gave me contact information to reach out to them and ask if I could attend. I didn't have to contact anyone when I ended up having to go to Atlanta anyways on business and was able to take the course while I was there.

Stoppage makes sense. When you think about it, issues we often discuss online like brass to face aren't technically failures because there's no stoppage of the gun.

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Originally Posted by MtStream

Stoppage makes sense. When you think about it, issues we often discuss online like brass to face aren't technically failures because there's no stoppage of the gun.

This is a neat thread, makes we want to go back to Glock school, and not because of the technical content.

The perspective that the instructors convey, seeing a very broad array of problems and behavior, was my favorite part of just the basic armorer's course. There's a lot you can learn from the manuals, but you'll never get the value of that perspective and insight unless you go sit in the class.

I kind of envy you guys for getting to go to the advanced course!

Chris

The NY springs are noticeably heavier even with a minus connector. However, I can see why some people like then NY1 w/ minus connector. I find it smooth with a very positive reset, less chance of a reset failure as well, but still heavier than I personally want.

There was a guy on here awhile back who created the Glok-e trainer - it basically attaches to the slide and disengages the connector for dry fire training. I put it on with a NY2 spring and with no trigger bar contact with the connector the trigger pull was still 5lbs. I occasionally will put a NY1 in for training. If there's anything wrong with your technique it WILL expose it :-) The NY2 and + connector are just ridiculously heavy (makes my had cramp after just one mag). I bought the + connector for the 42/43 just to see what it was like. It wasn't fun.

The fascinating part about the flashlight failures on G22 models was the original fix - a stronger magazine spring. There was a lot of emphasis by Scotty in the Advanced course about magazines being the cause of more issues than most people realize. He was very adamant about keeping carry/self defense mags separate from training mags so they wouldn't get worn/damaged. I bought new carry mags after the class and other than running them a few times to ensure reliability, I've kept them exclusively for carry/self defense.