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    When I first started shooting Glocks I noticed the same thing with the sight picture, the lower third of the front dot was covered. I hated the Glock sight picture and the fact that they were plastic. After a month I changed to 3 dot sights and all was well. 10 years and 5 Glocks later and I can say I haven't looked at that factory sight picture since. I swap for Trijicons before shot 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jax View Post
    Chris,

    I had that problem with my G17. It confounded me for a little while. I shaved off the top of the front sight to bring it more in line. I purposely made a visible scratch at the very top to aid my focus. It works for me, but I intend to purchase different sights at some point in time.

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    Jax,

    Thanks for that reply! I was beginning to think that nobody else had tried shaving the front sight. I'm glad it worked for you, I am going to try it on a G21SF once I get a set of steel sights, in case it doesn't work.

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    I don't find the stock sights on Glocks real good either. I basically see what you see Chris. I have found though if I just bring the white dot on the front up just a hair, I am right on.
    Would I like aftermarket sights? Sure but I find that the stock ones work to my liking.
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    Chris

    I'll preface my response with a question. "Why do you feel your diagram of "What I should see" is correct?" I mean why do you feel that the "white dot" must be fully visible through the rear sight? (I guess that is two questions.) And to answer your original post question, yes my factory Glock sights on all of my Glocks (9mm, .40S&W, .45ACP, and .357 SIG) give me your "What I do see" field of view.

    I am probably a little weird in my thinking but to me the "white dot" is the "rough" alignment of the front sight in the "notch" of the rear sight and the setting the "top" of the front sight is the "finite" alignment with the top of the rear sight. Using this concept all (12) of my Glocks are dead on (POA = POI) at 15 yds and serves me well in all of the modern shooting sports (6) that I participate in with my Glock pistols. Basically the "white dot" on the Glock front sight is NOT to be used like a "fiber optic" front sight.

    Hopefully this makes at least a little sense and this works for me. My opinion only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakeh View Post
    Chris

    I'll preface my response with a question. "Why do you feel your diagram of "What I should see" is correct?" I mean why do you feel that the "white dot" must be fully visible through the rear sight? (I guess that is two questions.) And to answer your original post question, yes my factory Glock sights on all of my Glocks (9mm, .40S&W, .45ACP, and .357 SIG) give me your "What I do see" field of view.

    I am probably a little weird in my thinking but to me the "white dot" is the "rough" alignment of the front sight in the "notch" of the rear sight and the setting the "top" of the front sight is the "finite" alignment with the top of the rear sight. Using this concept all (12) of my Glocks are dead on (POA = POI) at 15 yds and serves me well in all of the modern shooting sports (6) that I participate in with my Glock pistols. Basically the "white dot" on the Glock front sight is NOT to be used like a "fiber optic" front sight.

    Hopefully this makes at least a little sense and this works for me. My opinion only.

    Jake
    Jake,

    You've asked a perfectly reasonable question, it made me think about my answer.

    I have two reasons for believing that my "what I should see" sight picture is correct:

    1. This is what is depicted in Glock literature

    2. This is the sight picture I get with other pistols I own: a Sig P239, a Remington 1911R1, Beretta 92FS, Ruger LC9®, HK P2000, and Colt XSE®, to name a few. While these other pistols have different rear sights, they all have the same white dot front sight, and I can see it clearly, so I thought it was a standard of sorts.

    Glock literature shows this sight picture in two places that I can find:

    The Instructions for Use manual (11/08 version), page 21:

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    The Armorer's Manual, (©GLOCK, 2009), page 68:

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    Oddly, it does not appear in the new Instructions for Use manual (01/13).

    I agree with you that the alignment of the top of the front sight with the top of the rear sight is the "finite" (good term) alignment, and using that as a guide my Glock sights are pretty much dead on as well, although with my vision it's hard to tell. I immediately swap Glock OEM sights for something else, usually fiber optic front and black rear, which helps me align the sights better.

    My whole reason for complaining about my inability to see the whole front dot is that it confuses me. Your point that it is not to be used as a fiber optic front sight is a good one, I hope other members see these posts and understand your point of view.

    Again, just for reference and to allow readers to see the whole context, this is the graphic that I used to begin this thread:

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    jakeh and Chris--

    It's interesting to see 2 different perspectives here, literally. What we're showing here is that each person has a different preference for what their sight picture should be, what Glock is documenting what their sight picture should be, and what many of us shooters are actually seeing. This seems to be the first time someone's pointed out the "Stock Glock Sight picture", at least I haven't found any threads out there that documents it the way Chris has.

    No right or wrong here- one of the reasons why there are tons of sight options out there. Point taken about how the dot is a way to get the sights roughly aligned and then you algin the top edges for fine tuned, precise sight alignment.

    FWIW-- check out a picture of my steel OEM front sight. I've gotten used to its quirky sight picture, and actually like it on my G17. If I ever figure out how to take pics like Chris I'll try to post a point of view pic.

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    What I See

    Chris,

    This is very confusing to me, as I mentioned before.
    The lower sight picture shows the dot further down
    from the top of the post (see attached).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowdie View Post
    Chris,

    This is very confusing to me, as I mentioned before.
    The lower sight picture shows the dot further down
    from the top of the post (see attached).
    Rowdie,

    I agree, it is strange. My illustration is not that precise, it's supposed to be representative of the problem. I'm beginning to think that it has something to do with my eyes (they are old....and need lots of correction), although I have heard other people voice the same complaint. Let me say that I don't think this is a Glock problem necessarily, it's just the way my eyes see the Glock sights.

    The odd thing is that I get a perfect sight picture with the other guns I mentioned. And then NWGlocker has to show us a photo of a Glock steel front sight that has the white dot trimmed at the top! I'm getting all confused. I have a couple of those sights on order, I think I'll install one on my G21SF and see what it looks like.

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    Chris

    Thank you for the very detailed response. It is much appreciated!

    In reference to your statement "My whole reason for complaining about my inability to see the whole front dot is that it confuses me." , I can relate to this but I believe this is one of those times that you just have to accept things as they are and quit concentrating on the white dot after it comes into view in the "notch" of the rear sight. Something along the lines of the question of "Why is there air?" (Bill Cosby from the real old days!) Forget it - not worth the trouble to find the answer. I have read in your other posts where you state you change your sights to a "fiber optic" front sight. Maybe this is creating a bias for you toward that "white dot". Dunno, just guessing.

    Honestly I can't see any reason to change the sights on MY guns as I have never changed any of the factory sights on any of the guns I have owned (pistols, revolvers, rifles, or shotguns) except adding a Mid-Range Vernier Tang Sight for one of my 1885 HiWalls so that I could reach out to 600 +/- yards and touch something. I have tried all kinds of different sights on my friends pistols, which they said was the greatest thing since sliced bread was invented, and they just never did anything for me, so I stay with my factory sights. This only pertains to me and realize that everyone else has their own idea of what works better for them in the sight department. That's great! It's what makes the world go round and keeps the after market business in business and helps people shoot better.

    Sorry I can't give you any detailed analysis of why you and I and others are seeing the "dot" in the location it is in but I figured some personal observations may help you in some small way.

    Jake

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    That's just how it is. I don't think it has anything to do with the person if you really think about it. Like I said earlier in the thread, I have talked to numerous others who have the same sight picture.

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