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    What gen is this? Move if needed.

    Hi all, I am an armorer for our department and we have recently gotten rid of our old, I don't know what you'd call it, virtual simulator, video game thing. This system had a Glock that hooked up to compressed air and a laser to simulate recoil and impact. It also had a Remington 870, baton, oc and all kinds of cool stuff actually.

    Anyway. Since it's been trashed I came across one of the 17s that were used. I have completely disassembled it to see what it would take to get it up to be an actual firearm. This was a curiosity more than anything since we run gen 4s and 5s now, but hey it's your taxpayer dollars. Funny thing is that it looks like a gen 3 but it only has 2 pins. It has a serial number on the frame and slide and seems to only be missing a barrel, recoil spring, firing pin and trigger housing (it didn't have an ejector). It also had a weird metal plug in the firing pin channel. Anyway, take a look, tell me what you experts think.

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    As it was never meant to be live fired, two pins were sufficient, that would indicate a Gen 1, yet the finger grip places it upward toward Gen 3, so it may be a G3 frame with just 2 pins for training purposes.

    Is the simulator like this one : lasershot.com/law-enforcement/weapons/recoil-conversion-kits/clik here

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    Itís a Gen3. Can you post more pictures, especially the slide and original internals? Specifically, does the slide just have the 17 roll mark or another letter with it? If your comfortable posting the serial number that can tell a lot too.

    Iím beyond fascinated with what the gun was originally made to be and itís training configuration/parts.

    As far as completing it - probably easily done. The ATF will require a serial numbered frame. Itís unlikely this is as issue as even the Glock cutaways use serial numbered frames. So I have no doubt the frame has a serial number, Iím just wondering if itís a special run or a gun pulled from production.

    Iíll poke at 58sniper to come by. He collects Glock training models so may be able to shed even more light.


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    BTW - if there are serial numbers on those frames DONíT throw them away. A serial numbered frame is a real gun under the law.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Otintx View Post
    As it was never meant to be live fired, two pins were sufficient, that would indicate a Gen 1, yet the finger grip places it upward toward Gen 3, so it may be a G3 frame with just 2 pins for training purposes.

    Is the simulator like this one : lasershot.com/law-enforcement/weapons/recoil-conversion-kits/clik here
    Gen 1 isn't the only ones that had just two pins. Third pin wasn't added till the .40 guns came out. And for a while, was only on those. You'd see on the 9mm frames a little indentation where the third pin would go, but the hole didn't go all the way through.

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    Thanks for the help so far. Our sims guns run gen 3 lowers so I'll probably donate it to that and disappear the slide. Here are some more pictures.
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Size:  543.6 KBWeird serial number DRL247US, the slide has the same ser no except no "US" at the end

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    Does the slide have a hole in the bolt face where the firing pin would normally protrude from? (I'm guessing it does not).

    In general, Glock is very good about making guns NOT able to shoot bullets, if they are not meant to shoot bullets. For example, even though the Glock Cutaway is a serialized firearm, they've made it so you can't convert it into a firing gun just by swapping out parts.

    58Sniper was right about the 2 pin Versus the Generations. Glock did not -- and does not -- officially classify their guns by generation, previous to Gen4. Everything prior to that is "previous Generations." (Despite that everyone outside of Glock breaks them down by Gen1, Gen2, Gen3, etc). This is because the changes were on-going, and there's overlap in different features/parts between what everyone breaks out as a specific Generations. There were key aesthetic changes that the community has used to distinguish between each generation, but changes to the internals were evolving constantly and not separated by Gens. So 2-pins versus 3-pins you'll see swapped out on early guns depending on situation. Like he said, at first the .40s had 3-pins, but the 9mm at the same time did not. It wasn't until later that this was standardized and all got the 3-pin.
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