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    Mags are factory glocks. I think the pins are just dirty. I will check to see if the mag will drop when the slide is jammed. I'll also check the slide luck pn. Yes I bought the gun used and I've had this issue since I've owned it. Not worried if I need to spend some money on it. I got it at a pretty good price.
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    Summarizing my understanding so far:
    1. Only jams when ammo is present regardless of the number of rounds in the mag.
    2. Cycles when upward pressure is applied to magazine
    3. Happens with multiple magazines
    4. Slide lock is not engaging the slide causing the jam – jam is happening after the slide notch has passed the slide lock.
    5. An empty magazine seats within spec enough to engage the slide lock correctly (this has me the most confused because it indicates the magazine is seating properly)
    6. Magazine is OEM, Mag release in pic appears to be OEM as well
    7. Standard ammo (WWB)

    Ideas to check, some may help solve, some just help paint a picture of the gun for us.

    - In addition to the part number Chris asked about. Do the serial numbers on the barrel chamber, slide and frame all match?
    - As discussed, check to see if the mag will release when the slide is jammed – trying to confirm if the round has it jammed or something else.
    - Perform the Return to Battery test

    Clear the weapon. Cycle the slide. Point the barrel straight up, pull the trigger and hold it all the way to the rear. Pull the slide back and slowly let it come forward. When you finally release the slide, it should return to its fully forward position. If you have to release the trigger or lower the barrel to get it to finish going into battery there is an issue (most likely RSA spring).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cohland View Post
    Hmm. Interesting.

    Well, let's go back to where you got the gun. Sounds like it was bought used, and you have had this problem since you owned it. Is that correct? If that's all true, I'm wondering if somebody may have put in a different (wrong) Slide Stop Lever. The right part number for a Gen3 G22 is 2919. The parts are (usually....) stamped, as seen here:



    You should be able to see the stamped number if you remove the Slide and hold the Slide Stop Lever up.

    If it's the right part, the only other thing that comes to mind is the slide itself: are you able to fully cycle the slide, so that it is fully retracting and going fully into battery (when there's no ammo present)?

    I know this is tedious, but without being able to handle the gun we're all at a bit of a disadvantage. We'll get through it, just be patient.

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    PN stamped on the slide lock is 5299-2. No worries, just want to get this working right.


    Quote Originally Posted by MtStream View Post
    Summarizing my understanding so far:
    1. Only jams when ammo is present regardless of the number of rounds in the mag.
    2. Cycles when upward pressure is applied to magazine
    3. Happens with multiple magazines
    4. Slide lock is not engaging the slide causing the jam – jam is happening after the slide notch has passed the slide lock.
    5. An empty magazine seats within spec enough to engage the slide lock correctly (this has me the most confused because it indicates the magazine is seating properly)
    6. Magazine is OEM, Mag release in pic appears to be OEM as well
    7. Standard ammo (WWB)

    Ideas to check, some may help solve, some just help paint a picture of the gun for us.

    - In addition to the part number Chris asked about. Do the serial numbers on the barrel chamber, slide and frame all match?
    - As discussed, check to see if the mag will release when the slide is jammed – trying to confirm if the round has it jammed or something else.
    - Perform the Return to Battery test

    Clear the weapon. Cycle the slide. Point the barrel straight up, pull the trigger and hold it all the way to the rear. Pull the slide back and slowly let it come forward. When you finally release the slide, it should return to its fully forward position. If you have to release the trigger or lower the barrel to get it to finish going into battery there is an issue (most likely RSA spring).
    Your understanding is correct. The serial numbers on the chamber, slide and frame all match. when the slide is jammed, and the mag release is pressed, the mag will not drop from the gun. The gun will return to full battery in your test.

    Is it possible that it's an ammo issue? seems like the round is getting jammed on the bottom of the feed ramp, anyone ever hear of issues with Winchester White Box?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gooch View Post
    PN stamped on the slide lock is 5299-2. No worries, just want to get this working right.
    First, not to be unnecessarily picky, the part I am describing is the Slide Stop Lever, not the Slide Lock.

    You have the wrong Slide Stop Lever in the gun, part number SP 05306. Here's the description for that part:

    " Slide Stop Lever & Spring - fits only G20-G20SF-G21-G21SF(standard mag catch)-G21 Gen4 -G29-G29SF-G30-G30SF only (marked 5299-1 on back).

    That part is for 10mm and .45ACP guns. I'm pretty sure that the -2 suffix stamped on yours is not significant.

    The part you should have is 2919, here's the description:

    "Slide Stop Lever & Spring - fits 9mm, .40, .357 (NOT 2-pin G17/G17L/G34) (marked 2912, 2912-2, 2912-3), - including Gen4's".

    You can buy the right part here: Slide Stop Lever & Spring fits most 9mm - 40SW, 357SIG-www.glockmeister.com

    It's entirely possible that this is the entire cause of the problem. I would replace the part before pondering this much more.

    That said, I would follow MtStream's advice on testing the Recoil Spring Assembly, that needs to work properly. Now that we have found one incorrect part replaced in the gun, there may be more.

    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by cohland View Post
    You have the wrong Slide Stop Lever in the gun, part number SP 05306.
    Well, I'll be. That's darn impressive Chris, I was ready to move on when the lever wasn't raised up into the slide.

    Gooch - it's possible this isn't your only problem, but if the inside tab of your lever is sticking out far enough to participate in causing the round to not feed correctly and instead jam, then things make sense.

    If you wish to do a quick test, you can remove the slide stop lever and see if the problem repeats itself.

    I read your previous post to mean it did pass the return to battery test (aka RSA test).

    If you want to check some of your other parts:
    The RSA part number that should be on the end of the rod is 5579
    The number on the ejector 1882 - if this is correct you can assume the trigger housing is correct.
    Trigger bar # is 357 but I don't believe it's actually on the bar or the trigger so only for reference if you want to order.
    The trigger spring should be battle-ship gray

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    Removed the slide stop lever. Still have the issue. New one is on order.
    Last edited by Gooch; 10-27-2014 at 06:09 AM.

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    Maybe try a different generation mag ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gooch View Post
    Removed the slide stop lever. Still have the issue. New one is on order.
    So much for that one! And I was feeling SOOOO certain.

    If you hold the mag up in the gun it will cycle flawlessly.


    Back to square one. Pushing the magazine up moves the bullet up slightly so that I doesn't travel fully up the very short Glock feed ramp on the barrel. A (very) dirty feed ramp can cause feeding problems, although it's rare. I'm officially guessing now.

    Or maybe, just maybe, there is something wrong with the magazine catch. Here's what a new one looks like, can you check yours to see if the edges are nice and sharp, and that it is moving in and out fully? A worn edge on the inside of the catch, where it engages the magazine, could be a (I won't say "the") problem.

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    Can you remove the slide and provide photos of the back end of the barrel showing the feed ramp? If the feed ramp is not really clean, please tidy it up and see if that makes any difference.

    My next request is for two more photos of the top end of your gun, similar to these, so that we can see how all the parts are assembled, and if anything looks damaged.

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    In this photo I would like to see what it looks like with an empty magazine inserted.

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    Please be patient, I think we're getting there. Of course, I have thought that before!

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    What Chris said. I'd like to add a photo with the slide locked back and an empty magazine in the gun. Even with a photo, your personal observation will probably be the best. There's a little gap between the front of the mag and the ramp. Normally, the mag is high enough and close enough to the ramp that the angled nose of a bullet isn't going to get stopped there. Do you think you see enough gap on yours?

    If you can borrow or get ahold of another magazine, it would be a good test as well. Perhaps the previous owner modified the magazines (clipped springs, changed follower, opened/closed the spacing) something that's giving a little nose down movement.

    I don't think we ever answered your question about the Winchester white box. It is a lower end ammo but pretty standard construction. If you have a problem with this you will almost certainly have problems with others.

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    Sure sounds like an issue with the mag catch.

    Like MtStream said, I would like to see if the follower will actually engage the slide lock lever. Throw an empty mag in it and work the slide....does the lever lock the slide back?
    Last edited by Ryno785; 10-27-2014 at 03:35 PM.

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