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    I guess you will have to get the correct slide lock lever first....

    Still though, it sounds like the mag isn't seated in the gun far enough causing angle the round has to travel up the feed ramp to be too steep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryno785 View Post
    Sure sounds like an issue with the mag catch.

    Like MtStream said, I would like to see if the follower will actually engage the slide lock lever. Throw an empty mag in it and work the slide....does the lever lock the slide back?
    With the incorrect slide lever, it would lock back withe an empty mag. I will get those pictures requested tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gooch View Post
    With the incorrect slide lever, it would lock back withe an empty mag. I will get those pictures requested tonight.
    Was the incorrect lever making contact with the follower in the right spot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtStream View Post
    What Chris said. I'd like to add a photo with the slide locked back and an empty magazine in the gun. Even with a photo, your personal observation will probably be the best. There's a little gap between the front of the mag and the ramp. Normally, the mag is high enough and close enough to the ramp that the angled nose of a bullet isn't going to get stopped there. Do you think you see enough gap on yours?

    If you can borrow or get ahold of another magazine, it would be a good test as well. Perhaps the previous owner modified the magazines (clipped springs, changed follower, opened/closed the spacing) something that's giving a little nose down movement.

    I don't think we ever answered your question about the Winchester white box. It is a lower end ammo but pretty standard construction. If you have a problem with this you will almost certainly have problems with others.
    everything looks kosher there. pics are attached.

    Quote Originally Posted by cohland View Post
    So much for that one! And I was feeling SOOOO certain.



    Back to square one. Pushing the magazine up moves the bullet up slightly so that I doesn't travel fully up the very short Glock feed ramp on the barrel. A (very) dirty feed ramp can cause feeding problems, although it's rare. I'm officially guessing now.

    Or maybe, just maybe, there is something wrong with the magazine catch. Here's what a new one looks like, can you check yours to see if the edges are nice and sharp, and that it is moving in and out fully? A worn edge on the inside of the catch, where it engages the magazine, could be a (I won't say "the") problem.



    Can you remove the slide and provide photos of the back end of the barrel showing the feed ramp? If the feed ramp is not really clean, please tidy it up and see if that makes any difference.

    My next request is for two more photos of the top end of your gun, similar to these, so that we can see how all the parts are assembled, and if anything looks damaged.



    In this photo I would like to see what it looks like with an empty magazine inserted.



    Please be patient, I think we're getting there. Of course, I have thought that before!

    Chris

    everything with the feed ramp looks good.
    The mag release looks ok to me. might order a new one just to try since it's cheap.
    Pictures attached are with the wrong pn slide release lever installed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryno785 View Post
    Sure sounds like an issue with the mag catch.

    Like MtStream said, I would like to see if the follower will actually engage the slide lock lever. Throw an empty mag in it and work the slide....does the lever lock the slide back?
    Everything works properly there.
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    Good photos, thanks.

    I'm interested in the magazine followers, and the Slide Stop Lever.

    With the Slide removed and an empty magazine sitting in the gun, the Slide Stop Lever should stick up, like the photo below. If your Slide Stop Lever is not held up like this one is, then we've found one important problem, the Slide Stop Lever. If your Slide Stop Lever IS in the up position, then it's probably working in spite of the fact that it's the wrong part.

    Note that top of the magazine is about the same height as the ejector.

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    Here is what the Slide Stop Lever should look like with the magazine removed. It should snap down, using the power of the Slide Stop Lever Spring. By the way, your Ejector will probably be different from the one seen in the photos.

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    Here is the top of the magazine, showing the Follower. The "6" (or is it
    "9"?) molded into the follow is the part that engages the Slide Stop Lever.

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    Your follower is an older type (marked "5") and it may be all right. But it would sure be interesting to see if you can get a new .40 magazine to try out. The new ones have a number of improvements and fresh springs. Another thing that might be worth doing is changing the magazine springs, so here is a link: GLOCK Magazine Spring for G20 and G22 10 Round Mags-www.glockmeister.com. Weak magazine springs could play a part in this mystery.

    Changing the magazine springs will be a B***H. Taking a Glock magazine apart to replace the spring is not fun, at least for me, so be prepared for a little frustration.

    Again, if you can get a new magazine, and if it works, then we might just have a magazine spring problem.

    Stay with us, we're getting there.

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    Dang, my computer froze and Chris beat me to it

    I think you need to try a new magazine also. To me, that mag looks beat up as well but I only shoot on a range so my mags don't get to experience being dropped on the ground, etc. Some of the guys, like Chis, who shoot competitions can say how it compares to theirs. I too expect the springs may be older and potentially worn out given the type of magazine but a new mag is the quickest way to find out if that's the issue.

    I did try to emulate your photos with a G22 I have here at the moment, just as a point of reference but photobucket is down for maintenance (pretty sure that's what caused me to freeze up before). They don't show anything different so I'll try to put up tomorrow.

    Even though it's the wrong part, it does look to me like the follower is engaging the tab on the slide stop lever correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtStream View Post
    Dang, my computer froze and Chris beat me to it

    I think you need to try a new magazine also. To me, that mag looks beat up as well but I only shoot on a range so my mags don't get to experience being dropped on the ground, etc. Some of the guys, like Chis, who shoot competitions can say how it compares to theirs. I too expect the springs may be older and potentially worn out given the type of magazine but a new mag is the quickest way to find out if that's the issue.

    I did try to emulate your photos with a G22 I have here at the moment, just as a point of reference but photobucket is down for maintenance (pretty sure that's what caused me to freeze up before). They don't show anything different so I'll try to put up tomorrow.

    Even though it's the wrong part, it does look to me like the follower is engaging the tab on the slide stop lever correctly.

    The teamwork and collaboration, without a hint of competition, are what make this kind of troubleshooting fun for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cohland View Post
    The teamwork and collaboration, without a hint of competition, are what make this kind of troubleshooting fun for me.

    Chris
    I agree! Although I did admit to my wife that I wished I knew more people nearby with malfunctioning Glocks. Except for my own G42, I've been stuck with only the internet for months.

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    I'll pick up a new mag and give it a try, even if it doesn't work, I wouldn't mind having another mag. If this solves the problem, can the two I have now be upgraded to newer specs or has the case changed aswell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gooch View Post
    I'll pick up a new mag and give it a try, even if it doesn't work, I wouldn't mind having another mag.
    Good, that's a practical approach.

    One other thing came to mind last night, there is a specification for the width of the feed lips on magazines (below). If yours are out of spec that might be contributing to the problem. The bad news is that I have no idea how to fix them, other than replacement.

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    If this solves the problem, can the two I have now be upgraded to newer specs or has the case changed aswell?
    The cases (tubes) have probably changed, but I can't say for sure because I've never seen old magazines, I've only been working on Glocks for a few years.

    All of the internal parts can be replaced, but tubes are not available as service parts. If the new magazine works, then I would call Glock Customer Service and ask for help. Given that these are old magazines, they may offer to swap them for you. That would be the best outcome, because as I mentioned fixing them is no fun. Other Members will differ with me on that point, but I just find Glock magazines very frustrating to work with. It can be done, however.

    To rebuild them, the parts (Floor Plate, Insert, Follower, and Spring) can be purchased individually for $16 from GlockMeister, then you'll need to do the work. If you do buy the parts, get an extra Floor Plate and Insert because you may damage one in the process of rebuilding them. I can't seem to take a Glock magazine apart without scratching up the Floor Plate.

    I would elect to replace the magazines rather than fix them, but that is your call. If you have particularly good hand strength (I don't) you might find it to be not that difficult. There are other threads on this topic: https://glock.pro/glock-pistols/9280-...tml#post101738

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