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    G22 Gen 3 Failure to Feed

    I've got a G22 Gen 3 that refuses to load a round. With an empty chamber, insert a loaded mag, and rack the slide and it stays back. the slide lock is NOT engaged. sometimes racking the slide clears it, other times not, a whack of the mag always clears it. This happens round after round. If you hold the mag up in the gun it will cycle flawlessly. Almost seems like the mag isn't seated all the way in. Mag issue?(does it with either mag I have) I can't see any wear or damage to the mag or the mag release/retainer. Any ideas?

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    The Slide Stop Lever has a spring. With the Magazine and Slide removed, does the Slide Stop Lever snap down if you push it up? If not, the spring may be broken, resulting in intermittent behavior of the Slide Stop Lever.

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    Also, note the correct position of the Slide Stop Lever Spring, fitting under the Locking Block Pin. If you have dismantled the Pistol, it's possible that it was re-assembled incorrectly. Let me know if that spring is out of place, and I'll give you the steps for re-assembly. Order is critical.

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    Has this occurred with multiple magazines, or only the one magazine? If it is multiple magazines, then it sounds like it COULD be an issue with the Magazine Catch (not locking the magazine high enough in the grip). Good luck and keep us posted. Pictures may help us to help you as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gooch View Post
    I've got a G22 Gen 3 that refuses to load a round. With an empty chamber, insert a loaded mag, and rack the slide and it stays back. the slide lock is NOT engaged. sometimes racking the slide clears it, other times not, a whack of the mag always clears it. This happens round after round. If you hold the mag up in the gun it will cycle flawlessly. Almost seems like the mag isn't seated all the way in. Mag issue?(does it with either mag I have) I can't see any wear or damage to the mag or the mag release/retainer. Any ideas?
    Does it happen with an empty mag or only when a round it present?
    Was this happening previously or just started (or you just got the gun)?
    What brand/type of ammo?

    Because you said the slide lock is not engaged, my thought is the round being stripped off is jamming against the feed and holding the slide open. If it happens, visually inspect to see if the round has started to leave the magazine but has jammed against the feed enough to stop the slide.

    While you are troubleshooting this issue - be very aware of the condition of your ammo. 40S&W has a lot of pressure and "setback" (the bullet being pushed back into the casing) will significantly increase this. It can cause a very unpleasant miss fire. Just chambering a round multiple times can cause setback, so keep an eye on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cohland View Post
    The Slide Stop Lever has a spring. With the Magazine and Slide removed, does the Slide Stop Lever snap down if you push it up? If not, the spring may be broken, resulting in intermittent behavior of the Slide Stop Lever.


    Also, note the correct position of the Slide Stop Lever Spring, fitting under the Locking Block Pin. If you have dismantled the Pistol, it's possible that it was re-assembled incorrectly. Let me know if that spring is out of place, and I'll give you the steps for re-assembly. Order is critical.

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    The slide lock is operating normally. It is not becoming engaged in this issue. With the slide removed if you lift the slide lock up it snaps back down.

    Quote Originally Posted by Purkeypilot View Post
    Has this occurred with multiple magazines, or only the one magazine? If it is multiple magazines, then it sounds like it COULD be an issue with the Magazine Catch (not locking the magazine high enough in the grip). Good luck and keep us posted. Pictures may help us to help you as well.
    It happens with both magazines I have. What kind of pictures would help? That is exactly what seems like is happening. Should the magazine catch be replaced?

    Quote Originally Posted by MtStream View Post
    Does it happen with an empty mag or only when a round it present?
    Was this happening previously or just started (or you just got the gun)?
    What brand/type of ammo?

    Because you said the slide lock is not engaged, my thought is the round being stripped off is jamming against the feed and holding the slide open. If it happens, visually inspect to see if the round has started to leave the magazine but has jammed against the feed enough to stop the slide.

    While you are troubleshooting this issue - be very aware of the condition of your ammo. 40S&W has a lot of pressure and "setback" (the bullet being pushed back into the casing) will significantly increase this. It can cause a very unpleasant miss fire. Just chambering a round multiple times can cause setback, so keep an eye on it.
    With an empty Mag the slide lock enganges like it should. The gun is new to me. I'm using Winchester Whitebox. If that is causing the issue what would be the fix?

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    A couple of other thoughts:

    If the gun is new, I would call Glock to see what they say. It might require sending it back (at their expense). Customer support number is 770-432-1202. If the gun is older, they might still work on it but could require you to pay the freight. That should probably be the last resort.

    You might try loading the magazines "short", 1 round less than capacity, to see if it behaves differently.

    Do heed MtStream's warning about setback, don't chamber the same round repeatedly. If you do, compare the overall length of the chambered round with a fresh one, you may see that the bullet has been set back. DON'T shoot the round(s) that have been set back. This can happen with any ammo. Winchester White Box should be fine.

    Also, Purkeypilot raised a good point about the Magazine Catch not engaging. I'd be surprised to see that on an older gun, but on a new one I think I recall a thread about that.

    Anyway, hang in there, sooner or later we'll figure it out, there's a lot of useful experience on this Forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cohland View Post
    A couple of other thoughts:

    If the gun is new, I would call Glock to see what they say. It might require sending it back (at their expense). Customer support number is 770-432-1202. If the gun is older, they might still work on it but could require you to pay the freight. That should probably be the last resort.

    You might try loading the magazines "short", 1 round less than capacity, to see if it behaves differently.

    Do heed MtStream's warning about setback, don't chamber the same round repeatedly. If you do, compare the overall length of the chambered round with a fresh one, you may see that the bullet has been set back. DON'T shoot the round(s) that have been set back. This can happen with any ammo. Winchester White Box should be fine.

    Also, Purkeypilot raised a good point about the Magazine Catch not engaging. I'd be surprised to see that on an older gun, but on a new one I think I recall a thread about that.

    Anyway, hang in there, sooner or later we'll figure it out, there's a lot of useful experience on this Forum.

    Chris
    anywhere from 1 to 15 rounds in the mag will cause the issue. Thanks for the heads up on the setback, I will be sure to check them before my next trip to the range. The catch is engaged to the point I can't remove the mag, I've tried seating it more, but it doesn't, there is some slop in the fit.

    Here are some pictures, anything else you would like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gooch View Post
    anywhere from 1 to 15 rounds in the mag will cause the issue. Thanks for the heads up on the setback, I will be sure to check them before my next trip to the range. The catch is engaged to the point I can't remove the mag, I've tried seating it more, but it doesn't, there is some slop in the fit.

    Here are some pictures, anything else you would like?
    Hmm. Interesting.

    Well, let's go back to where you got the gun. Sounds like it was bought used, and you have had this problem since you owned it. Is that correct? If that's all true, I'm wondering if somebody may have put in a different (wrong) Slide Stop Lever. The right part number for a Gen3 G22 is 2919. The parts are (usually....) stamped, as seen here:

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    You should be able to see the stamped number if you remove the Slide and hold the Slide Stop Lever up.

    If it's the right part, the only other thing that comes to mind is the slide itself: are you able to fully cycle the slide, so that it is fully retracting and going fully into battery (when there's no ammo present)?

    I know this is tedious, but without being able to handle the gun we're all at a bit of a disadvantage. We'll get through it, just be patient.

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    I'm on my phone so I can't see the pictures well. When the slide is jammed, if you press the mag release, does the mag fall out or hang in the gun?

    Are the mags Glock OEM? The back (side with holes) should have .40 at the top and the Glock logo on it.
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    Is it just the picture on my phone or is there something up with the pins? One looks like a black dot in the middle of brown the other looks brown. Just worn, or the pic?
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